I had been wanting to do this for while, but could never find a solid set of data regarding historical incomes in Edmonton… but late last night I finally stumbled upon a Statcan report that was my dream come true.
So today I’m going to take a look at incomes, interest rates and prices over the last 30 or so years here in Edmonton. This may get a bit long and be a bit graph heavy, but their are a lot of different angles to look at, but I’m going to try to narrow things down as best as possible.
To get things rolling lets take a look at this graph (like all the graphs, you can click on the image to get a view of a larger version).
Here we see the median and average economic family incomes for Edmonton from 1976 through 2006 in nominal dollars. A fairly steady, gentle curve up as time goes on. We’ll also note the average always is proportionately higher then the median, but that they track very similar patterns. As I’ve mentioned before, I think median is the more reflective stat, so we’ll be using it rather then the average.
Now the same graph adjusted for inflation (2009 dollars).
It’s striking how relatively flat earnings have been over the last 30 years. It’s also interesting to note this chart picks up in 1976, during the run up of the last big housing boom in Edmonton (as discussed in this entry) and ends in 2006, effectively the run up of the current boom.
Unlike home values which has seen a small growth above inflation, earnings have experienced negligible growth above inflation. You may be asking yourself how we can afford to be paying more for homes when earnings are stagnant… that ties into this next graph.
This graph shows the values of average interest rates on mortgages (5 year terms) in Canada since 1962. As you can see, they have been very volatile and have a huge range. We can also see that historically we’re currently at very low levels… even lower still when you consider todays rates are not represented in the graph (though it is worth noting that in the early-60′s, rates then were in around 7%).
To get back to the earlier question of why we can afford to pay more for homes when earning effectively earning the same income… it’s because interest rates are historically low. As you can see from the graph we’re well below the long term trendline, and have been to varying degrees for most of the last 15 years.
It’s also interesting to note the contrast of interest rates during the last housing bubble to the current one. The last one saw prices increase then hold from about ’73 to ’81… a period when interest rates were climbing. Significantly. Rates were already trending up leading into it, then went from about 10% in ’73 to as high as 22% in ’81.
Numbers like that are unheard of today, credit cards aren’t even into the 20′s! Prices were rocketing up, even when the cost of borrowing was doing the same… compare that to our current bubble when the cost of borrowing was a relatively paltry 6-7%.
Now that we have the interest rates and the prices, we can figure out what income it would take to qualify for a conventional mortgage (25 year amortization) using the 32% Gross Debt Service Ratio (but ignoring taxes and heating costs, so effectively people would actually have to earn more, but for the purposes of this example they’re ignored).
This is unadjusted for inflation. We can clearly see the two bubbles, when the income required for financing blows WAY past the median family income of the city. This was also for Single-Family Homes, the same graph for residential average can be viewed here.
It’s interesting that both bubbles appear roughly similar in that graph, but when we adjust for inflation…
Suddenly that boom in the late 70′s-early 80′s looks massive…. and that big spike it almost entirely due to the staggering increase in interest rates, as prices relative to inflation had largely plateaued from ’76 to ’81. Rising interest kept putting more and more downward pressure on prices, and eventually prices gave as affordability disappeared.
In any case, as we can see, eventually prices got back in line with earnings (interest rates coming down also contributing to that) and stayed relatively close for about 20 years or so… until the current bubble took off. It should be noted, the income data is not as current as the real estate prices, hence they cut out two years early.
Another factor to take a quite look at is interest rates and inflation rates… here is a little graph of that (these are yearly averages unlike the earlier graph of interest rates, which were monthly).
Not surprisingly, they track together. Like interest rates were much higher during the last boom, so was inflation. This revelation also reveals that lowering interest rates would have cushioned the fall during the last bust… so even if you overpaid at least you’re going to see your payments decrease in the future and inflation would be bringing up incomes thus improving affordability at higher prices. This is in stark contrast to where we find ourselves now when the prime rate is already effectively at rock bottom and inflation is minimal if not negative.
Since the 90′s economic policies have been trying to minimize inflation, trying to keep it 1-2% a year when possible… contrast this to the last bubble when inflation was anywhere from 6-12% annually. So, while inflation could go back up to those levels, it would also cause interest rates to go up and these effects would largely offset each other.
Which begs the question, what happens this time?
It’s a good question… because prices are still out of line, interest rates are effectively as low as they can go and inflation currently is negligible (and some are even speculating we may see some deflation)… in this situation, prices are the only thing that can give.
Even in the event of inflation because of all the printing of money, interest rates will inevitably also increase… which will still leave prices as needing to make up most of the difference and financially destroy most who bought during the boom when their mortgage comes up for renewal or are on variable rate. It seems there is going to be no cushion for falling home prices as they get back in line with earnings.
Ultimately it’s really hard to say what’s exactly going to happen in the long run, other then eventually prices and incomes will get back in line… how, is anyones guess, because the global financial crisis largely being uncharted waters.
In the short term though, real estate prices only appear to have one way to go. Down.
















Interesting stuff, definitely a lot of relevant information in there. I’d read a year or two ago that earnings in the city was pretty much the same as it in 1980, and this just reaffirms that.
makes a lot of sense seeing it graphically. Thanks!
Wow. thanks for all the good info. You sure put lots of time into reserching.
Great Blog!
Great stuff!
What should be super obvious is that your affordability graph shows deviations in the ’80s, a bit in the early ’90s, and now in the mid to late 2000s. The difference from previous bouts of unaffordability is that interest rates were high, meaning poor affordability was due mostly to interest payments that subsequently eased over time, thus easing the burden of carrying costs. This time round, high prices are the culprit and THERE IS NO WAY OUT OF THAT LOG JAM BY LOWERING INTEREST RATES. Put another way, if you overpay there is no relief except a miracle, personal bankruptcy, or sweet merciful death.
How long does a person wait if they really need to get their own place? Is renting a good option? It would be if prices were to suddenly crash. What if prices hold? Just 3 days ago a house was listed in the community of Summerside for $308,000. It is large enough for a family of four (1340sqft. 3+1beds, 2.5 baths) and comes with deck, landscaping, fence, and a garage. My agent tells me that there are 11 showings today, not including me. This tells me that if a house is priced right they will get alot of interest. Also that there are still many buyers out there looking for a place.
If this keeps up house prices will drop very slowly and we will not see a sudden crash. I think low interest rates are actually acting to stabilize house prices for the moment. This will change as investors become landlords, and cannot find renters to cover their costs. I think the end of summer may signal more reductions if the market stays flooded. Hope and optimism is also propping up the economy, people see oil pries back to $50+ a barrel and all of a sudden they are very optimistic.
I really wish house prices would drop faster but they aren’t. Right now I’m stuck, me and my wife with our baby live at my folks place. This is really starting to get to me. I have hope. I hope to see prices crash right away.
Someone please post more bad news
Hey Ryan,
I’m pretty much in the same situation as you with my wife and I looking for a home for her, myself and my son (and eventually expanding family). All I gotta say is patients, and don’t worry to much about alot of viewings. I’ve got a few friends who are selling their homes and the first half dozen or so people coming through their house are neighbors seeing how their properties compare.
Then you have others who look through newish/new homes to get ideas on renovations for their properties. For example how would your home look having all natural bamboo flooring or deep dark walnut flooring, granite color variations, or cabinets, etc, my inlaws do this every so often to get ideas for renovations on their home.
Sure there are sales out there, and people buy and sell, but not with the speed which happened over the last number of years. An example is a number of properties we’ve viewed over the past 2 weeks have been on the market greater then 45 days, and some even over 60 days and all show reasonably to very well, but of course you have the omfg what are you thinking homes as well in there. Have you considered older neighborhoods? The deals to be had on homes (SFH with detached garages) between $250K – $280K are mounting up quickly, and I’m not talking about the crap their touting on 118ave either, I mean the nicer neighborhoods around the city that are close to schools (which aren’t closing), or are on the edge of the newer neighborhoods. Thats not to mention either the number of distressed and foreclosure/pre-forclosure properties poping up all over either, so keep your options open, be patient, and bide your time. Unless your having the house built for you, chances are your not going to find an absolute perfect fit of a home, but you can come damn close and then make it better if you chose too after you move in.
Great work again Kevin, your blog is quickly becoming my favorite. Even though I’m from Calgary and I follow most of the Calgary real estate blogs, your perspective is the one I tend to agree with the most.
Great blog!!!
There are so many things to consider when looking at this issue. One thing that is going to come into play in my opinion is rental vacancies. I currently rent and have had two rental reductions from the land loard in the last year. Now I think a company like Boardwalk does not throw rental reductions around very freely. If they are reducing rents, you can bet they see something coming down the pipe that scares them. As all of this speculator property comes on to the rental market and the immigration slows (or turns negative), its going to become very challenging for accidental landlords to finance underwater properties until they can get thier price. I think this summer could be interesting either for the drops in sale price, jump in inventory or both.
Ryan,
I know it’s hard to watch… potential buyers are all suddenly fearful of a return of the massive run-up we had in ’06, and suddenly things are appearing very affordable after we saw them reach such heights… but in my estimation, they still have a long way to go.
You are correct, interest rates and hope are propping up prices… but that’s about all that is holding them up. Incomes and supply and demand are calling for a fall. But it will take awhile, and it will be rather slow. Probably just about 1% per month on average, and will take a couple years. Sellers don’t accept prices rocketing down the way buyers accepted prices rocketing up during the boom. It is very much psychological in that regard.
But prices aren’t going to explode again, they were already dropping for a year solid when oil was at record highs and the economy was cooking.
So, I say give it six months, and at that time compare prices then to prices today… if they aren’t lower, maybe I’m wrong and you should start looking. If they are lower, wait another six months and do it again.
If I’m wrong, maybe in six months prices have ticked up a point or two and I will have cost you $5,000 and you can curse me out… but if I’m right, and prices eventually drop 20-30%, waiting will have saved you $50,000-100,000.
Just for sitting on your wallet for a year or two, you can have an identical house, AND have put your kid through college, easily.
And my predictions aren’t even all that extreme when it comes to a drop… I’m merely calling for a regression to the mean. Which if you’re familiar with statistics, tells you just how far out of whack prices got during the boom.
Cmyden,
Thanks! Really Calgary and Edmonton are in the exact same boat, they always have tracked together… just add an extra 10-20% to the Edmonton prices and you’ve essentially have Calgary’s situation.
I’m going to try to do a post on the Teranet HPI regarding Calgary in the next couple weeks, so keep an eye out for that.
You should use local inflation… not canada inflation.
Excellent post. Some very enlightening graphs to drive home your points. Supply Side Economics as practiced over the last 28 years has really screwed over the middle class. But as long as most people continue to dream that they too can be part of the elite class, through hard work or dumb luck,I guess that things will not change. We all may have been born free, but everywhere we are definitely in chains.
Well only problem with prices falling so slowly is that some of us don’t have that luxury and have to make the choice to rent or buy. I’m lucky that my folks have a very large house and I have a whole floor to myself including a bathroom. I do not pay rent or utilities and only have to cover my own bills like grocery, insurance, gasoline, and what not.
Anyways fingers crossed, hopefully things will get better. My little guy needs a room of his own, he keeps hurting himself on the furniture in my room and he’s starting crawl.
I guess the big question is what is the price you are willing to pay to have a place to call your own and have the freedom to do anything you want with the property and in the property. When I mean price, I mean how much are you willing to lose in equity or savings on your mortgage interest. More than anything saving on mortgage interest is something to think about and equity might not be so important if you are committed for the long term.
I hope that made sense. Why would you buy a new car knowing that the car has already lost value once its off the lot? Why would you buy furniture or any other item knowing that it will lose its value the instant it leaves the showroom floor. The same could be applied to a home in a downwards market.
Ryan – get a life and move out. The real world awaits. I rent a 3 bedroom, 2.5 bath, 2 year old, flat with a 2 car garage, backyard, near UofA, for under $1500 per month all in. It is fine. I pay $1500 per month rent vs $1500 month interest. I save about 20% of my yearly income, which will be used for a hefty downpayment once house prices return to a $225k average price. Our household income is in the range of $150K/year, with both of us working for stable “recession proof” organizations, and I would not fathom paying today’s average price in Edmonton.
I’m buying all the distressed properties in the west and south west areas of Edmonton. Starting this October i will start buying dozens of properties in Edmonton all in the West and South West areas. These two areas are known as the white pockets where the rich stay thus keeping property values high. All the satellite communities are now higher in price than Edmonton. The rest of Canada has caught up with Edmonton’s prices and surpassed it. For the renters there is no where to go. As the price of oil heads back up to $100 US a barrel and the Canadian dollar heads back to parity with the US dollar purchasing power will increase in Canada.
My family combined income is 65,000. This does not leave us much after renting. Might as well spend it and try to get some equity. I know I wont have much for savings if I rent or buy. I would buy a smaller condo or townhouse but taking my boys future into consideration a house is my best choice. We have budgeted based on my current income, I have not taken into consideration wage increase or the possible income from my wife when she starts working. If my income increases or my wife starts working all of a sudden we will actually have disposable income that can be saved or used to pay down the mortgage.
I will follow the path my folks took, we moved here from the middle east 13 years ago. They purchased their first and only house within 8 months and paid it off withing 4 years. Opened up a Subway and paid that off in 2 years and now have 4 stores in all and have paid off half the business loan. If you work hard you will reap the rewards. Money doesn’t fall from the trees you have to work to make anything happen.
The above poster is extremely optimistic. Oil prices will not go that high. High oil prices will cripple the world economy. The American consumer is weak and they were the largest consumer for oil. Add in the new green mentality for transportation and the phasing out of large vehicles and we have a formula for stable oil prices that may stay in the $60-$80 region.
Screw the Americans we should be looking at other trade partners. I think China is a great one as their middle class is larger and are starting to spend money. Their own government is giving them incentives. I imagine that China will take over where the Americans faltered.
LOL Anon 12:40! I assume you are being sarcastic?
The rest of Canada has caught up with Edmonton’s prices and surpassed it. For the renters there is no where to go. As the price of oil heads back up to $100 US a barrel and the Canadian dollar heads back to parity with the US dollar purchasing power will increase in Canada.
Where is the proof about the rest of Canada’s prices? Housing prices going up in BC…uh..no. Ontario…uh…no. Where? And how does dollar parity help anyone in Alberta? We make waymore money when we sell oil (in US dollars) and can keep the exchange difference.
Either way, yes…please buy up those properties…as many as you can get your hands on!
Well Ryan, you’re just going to have to man-up, make a decision and follow through with it, and it sounds like you’re already half way there.
I can only offer you my non-binding opinion and the reasoning behind it, and an opinion is all it is.
If you’re looking for validation, you’re in the wrong place… if you’re looking for someone to tell you what to do, you’re also in the wrong place, though, I could refer you to my mother or my girlfriend, both of whom seem to LOVE to stick their nose in others business and tell them how to live.
But I wouldn’t wish either of those two on my worst enemy. lol
Ultimately it’s your decision, your money and you’re the one that has to live with it… so either way, I wish you luck.
I still feel there is very little potential upside, and a very big potential downside to buying now… but if you disagree or don’t feel waiting is worth it, more power to you.
All the best!
Actually every time I put an offer I am doing it knowing I’m low balling on the house price and that the seller will reject it. My last offer I put on a house I hoped to lose it and also to in a way appease my wife. At least then she knows I’m trying.
I have great hopes that this market still has some correction, and maybe a steep decline once the market realizes that nothing is moving except houses priced below the current market value. This will then cause house prices to go in a downward prices.
I do not want to lose property value through this downturn. I mean greater than $10,000. If I lose more it will be a long time before I can trade up on the property ladder. I do think that if I lose value I can add it back in by doing the small upgrades.
Kevin,
Superb work, once more.
Two interesting things from your charts are: a) the sustained stagnation of incomes and rising property prices and b) proof that affordability in Edmonton existed, prior to 2005.
Your work has shown that, in real terms, the purchasing power (of the median local family) has really not advanced that much in the last quarter of a century. This itself explains why single-income families can rarely afford to purchase a house these days. A generation ago this was not only possible, but the norm. In contrast, currently, it seems that to have decent shelter, for most families, two-incomes are required. If this is the case, the consequences of job loss can be devastating to their financial stability.
On a more encouraging note, your chart showing median income and income required for financing, suggests that between 1992 and 2005, most families were able to afford a house in Edmonton. If it happened before, it will happen again. The key here is having patience and save, save, and save some more until that day comes!
I’d like to suggest a couple of topics for future posts, seeing that you have a knack (and the number-crunching skills to go with it) to tackle quasi-universal RE dogmas.
1. The relationship between migration to Edmonton/AB and RE prices – RE bulls love to tell the world that prices will rise, as housing demand is driven by all the newcomers flocking to these lands. I wonder if there really is a correlation between these two.
2. The relationship between the price of oil and RE prices. Once again, this a one of the most common canons of the AB RE gospel. Though many of us RE bears have a good answer for this one, it would be very useful to have some solid data to reference our assertions.
I’d like to offer this report as it relates to suggestion 1 above:
http://www.finance.alberta.ca/aboutalberta/population_reports/2008_4thquarter.pdf
Cheers!
For those entertaining the thought of purchasing RE within the next 12 months: one key factor to consider is the very real possibility of job losses during this time period.
From the Calgary Herald:
“”Last year, when I was hired by my last employer, there was a bidding war for me,” says the senior mechanical engineer who was laid off three weeks ago.
“The other day, I applied for another senior-level position, and was told that while normally they received on average 20 applications from qualified people, this time around they got 900.”"
http://www.calgaryherald.com/Business/White+collar+workers+Calgary+ranks+unemployed/1433290/story.html
Ask yourselves: if I or my spouse were to lose our job 6 months down the road, could I/we afford to make the mortgage payments, using EI funds and savings for 3-6 months?
Low interest rates will not make your mortgage payments smaller and more manageable, even if you don’t lose your job. But lower prices will.
Keep on saving, folks.
Those are good ideas, I’ll definitely try to run the numbers on those in the next week or two. I’m working on a mortgage in arrears on for tonight/tomorrow.
Two Thirds – your comments are bang on brother! I found an article last nite tucked away on the internet that cited a European company with a Canadian office in Calgary. There were looking to interview engineers for a hundred or so job openings and thought they would get several hundred applicants. Instead they had a few THOUSAND applicants.
Ryan – I’d wait on buying a home. Kevin is showing you the bigger picture in historic terms and if I were in your shoes – I’d tuck every penny I had into savings to put down a huge chunk on a house in about 3 years time. I posted a week ago about Mr. Dent – a Harvard educated economist who predicts US housing prices to fall another 30-50%. Canada will follow no doubt.
My first house was 1100sq ft. with 3 bedrooms and two full baths. I paid $135,000 for it, including the lot – and it was brand new. That was in 1999. So the house worked out to about $90/sq ft as the lot was $35K.
Court ordered seizures of vehicles, homes and valuables is up over 100% in Alberta (which is the only province that keeps stats…hint hint Kevin). Personally I think that number will continue to climb.
Be patient and you’ll be rewarded with a beautiful home for a reasonable price.
Ryan: Unless you actually counted 11 people looking at the house today, I would assume it’s realtor hype. The oldest line in the book is,”There’s a lot of interest in this house”, followed by “A rival offer just came in.” Not putting down realtors, but that’s what they do: they sell houses any way they can. During the boom years of 06-07, these scenarios were often true, but I don’t think we’re back there just yet, if ever.
Ryan, that poor realtor has not sold a house in 3 months. He/She got a family to feed just like you, if you are sympathizing for that realtor then buy a house from him/her. I am sure that realtor is looking forward for the commission from the sale.