Category: HPI


Sorry the updates have been a little slow in coming, we’re getting kinda clobbered at work, so Kev’s been a little busy. I’ll try to keep up with posting a couple times a week, but it may not be as in depth and timely as previously. Hopefully August will be better, but what do want, it’s free!

Edmonton NHPI

The latest new housing price index from Statcan was released this week. We’re currently sitting at 209.0. As we can see from the graph this measure has pretty much flat-lined in Edmonton over the last year… we’re down a whole 0.2 from last May. Though it appears the house-only measure has faired a bit better than land-only, but have obviously offset each other in the combined measure.

This measure typically lags the resale market by 4-6 months, so it will be interesting to see if there is any blip in response to the early spring price bounce. If it is I imagine it will be short lived as the market has cooled considerably since then, but if we see an uptick or two come early fall don’t be surprised even if the resale market continues to cool.

Calgary NHPI

Here is the same graph for Calgary. They’ve seen more gains in the last 12 months, going from 229.0 to 236.3. Their house-only measure has been the driver behind it jumping from 222.7 to 234.2, while land-only has is down slightly. So Calgary responded much faster to the tightening market last year, perhaps indicating less of an inventory problem then we have here.

Doesn’t look like the March resale stats will be out until probably Tuesday, so I figured we’d revisit a topic we haven’t touched on in awhile… Statcan’s New Housing Price Index, and it’s components.

Edmonton - New Housing Price Index

For our purposed today I have moved the index point to January 2005. The ‘house and land’ combined figure often gets some press, but they also report the two separately, and here we see those. I only have the separate measures through Sept ’09, whereas I have the combined through January ’10… this is because that’s as current as the free data goes, but considering the combined measure has gone horizontal since then, I’d imagine not much has changed.

It’s interesting to note that here in Edmonton that while the value of houses alone shot up 75% between January ’05 and mid ’07 before starting to regress… land values rocketed up over 115% in the same period, but also held for over a year and then took another jump before finally starting to drop in the fall of ’08.

This of course begs the question of exactly what could possibly justify a 125+% increase in land values over a four year period. Like I’ve said before, this isn’t Manhattan, we’ve got land for as far as the eye can see in every direction. There may be a limited amount of farm land, but even given the demand for that you can still buy it for less than $2,000 an acre, so that isn’t driving anything. Location may be a factor in some cases, but when you have postage stamp sized lots on the fringes of the sprawling suburbs going for six-figure sums, that’s not it either.

And it’s even more perplexing when you compare it to what happened in Calgary.

Calgary - New Housing Price Index

Here we have the same data, over the same period and can see that their house and land run-ups were much more similar in proportion (houses up ~80%, land up ~85%). The pattern is akin to Edmonton though, as houses peaked in mid ’07 while land didn’t peak until late ’09.

The combined measures in the two cities were relatively close, but it remains curious that land in Edmonton had such a meteoric rise, while Calgary’s was more inline with house appreciation… but there is another difference between our fair cities, the declines since the respective peaks.

Edmonton - Decline From Peak

All these figures are through Sept ’09 just to keep the comparisons consistent. Here we see in Edmonton that since their peaks, houses are down ~17% and land ~18%, though it only took the latter half as long. The lack of support for the price escalation came to roost very quickly.

Calgary - Decline From Peak

In Calgary we see a different story. Since it’s peak, land has hardly fallen at all, as of September only down ~3%. Houses were a different story though, and dropped ~15% before the emergency interest rates came to the rescue and looks to have goosed prices.

It is interesting to see the contrast between the cities, as typically they tend to track very closely together. It’ll be interesting to watch these figures going forward as interest rates return to normal levels and the market turns downward again. Will the land declines continue to outpace houses? Is their more support for Calgary’s price levels than Edmonton’s?

Greetings brothers from other mothers. Today we’re going to do a big of a supplement/appendix to Saturday’s post on Japan… this time around we’ll do some comparing and contrasting of their HPI with ours, as well as the Case-Shiller index from the States.

Japan/Canada/U.S.A. - HPI

Here they are charted out without any adjustments. Kind of a mess, we have different index points, some peaking before the index point, others after, yadda yadda yadda, I’m really tired today it’s a mess. So, lets do some adjustments and see how it looks then.

Japan/Canada/U.S.A. - HPI

Alright, since we’re obviously concerned with “bubbles”, lets find the respective peaks and count back six years. Why six years, well, it would have been ten, but the Canadian data doesn’t go back that far, nor does the U.S. Composite 20… so basically I went back as far as the shortest data set allowed.

We can see by far the biggest bubble was in the Japanese major city index, followed by the U.S. composite 10, then U.S. composite 20, the Canadian composite 6, and then finally the Japanese nationwide. Interesting to note that Japan bookends the high and low ends. Also since their asset bubble was back in ’91 they have the long tail.

So, as far as the Canadian figure goes our bubble is bigger then Japan’s (as a whole), but well below the U.S. bubble. It is worth noting the Canadian cities peaking has been a little more spaced out then our American counterparts, and in light of the recent national flurry we’re in all likelihood going to set a new peak as the fall numbers become available… so the Canadian curve would thus need to be reset in that event.

In any case, it’s unlikely the Canadian peak will get anywhere near the U.S. figures… unless we just go completely off the rails for another year or more (particularly Toronto). After the last eight months though, never say never, but it would take a whole lot to pull us up to that level.

Japan/Canada/U.S.A. - Decline From Peak

These are the respective decline from peak figures. Again, Japan’s extends far beyond everyone else. Interestingly, we can see the two U.S. composites have declined at eerily similar patterns despite having varied peaks as we noted in the prior graph.

We can also see that the current ultra-low interest rate environment has not just spurred prices in Canada, but also the U.S. as their curves too have suddenly made a stark move up. Difference being that south of the border they’re still down 30% from peak even after this upswing… whereas in Canada we were still early in our decline, thus much of those losses have been erased and we’re now approaching a new high (which would reset this graph).

Japan/Canada/U.S.A. - HPI - Cities

National numbers only do you so much good as real estate is more a local creature and can vary widely from region to region. So lets take a look at some city numbers. As I mentioned in the prior article, I have been unable to obtain any city specific numbers for Japan, but we’ll compare some major cities in North America to what happened to the Japan major city composite. At least that will give us a general idea.

For Canada I picked Calgary, Vancouver and Toronto as they are our most hotly discussed real estate markets. To make them easier to pick out, I made them the dashed lines. For the U.S. I selected Miami, Phoenix and Seattle. Miami having the biggest bubble (as per Case-Shiller), Phoenix was about 7th out of the 20 but much discussed, and Seattle was about in the middle of the pack.

We see here the Miami curve is actually quite close to the Japanese major market composite. Down a little, we see Calgary close to Phoenix, with Vancouver not far behind. Down a little more we have Seattle, then finally Toronto’s curve looking downright flat compared to the others.

Unfortunately for us in Edmonton we aren’t included in the Canadian HPI. But if we want to get an idea of where we might be on this scale lets start by comparing Calgary resale stats from this period with their HPI… indexing Calgary’s various resale averages/medians using the same method (index point six years prior to peak) we find peaks in the 225-to-240 range. Knowing their HPI topped out at 226, seems we’re right in the range, near the low end.

Now looking at Edmonton’s resale averages/medians, we come out with peaks in the 260-to-280 range… the low end of which would put us right up at the top with Miami. The same relationship between resale and HPI holds for both Vancouver and Toronto as well. So, take that for what it’s worth, but it would suggest that the bubble we experienced in Edmonton could very well be right up there with the worst in the United States.

Japan/Canada/U.S.A. - Decline From Peak - Cities

Finally here is the decline from peak for all the cities (the Japanese one is cut off in this and the prior graph, but the full plot is available in the earlier graphs). Pretty serious stuff in Phoenix and Miami, with 54.5% and 48.5% respective declines from peak. Even Seattle which had a much more moderate bubble has fallen over 20%, well beyond the classification for a “bust.”

We can certainly see the effects of the interest rate plunge on both sides of the border (except it seems in Seattle). Even in the U.S. markets where residential real estate had been written off for dead prices have jumped significantly in recent month. It’ll be interesting to see how the next couple years play out, as rates stay low for now and what will happen when rates start jumping. But only time will tell.

As the economic mess continues to unfold, there is no lack of bewilderment about what’s going to happen and when. There are people calling for everything from runaway inflation to runaway deflation… all the while no one is anymore sure what is coming next year, then they are about tomorrow.

In our little niche of the blogosphere here we discussing housing bubble here in Alberta, and through much of Canada for that matter, those bullish on the market all have their theories as to why they feel prices are sustainable. The arguments largely focus on either inflation jacking up incomes, or interest rates staying at their current record lows for years on end. Some even cite a combination of the two, apparently blissfully unaware that they are mutually exclusive

In the case of the low interest rates scenario, they point to Japan as an example. So, today we’re going to take a look at just what happened in Japan. Then in subsequent days we’ll do some further comparisons with what happened in Japan, to what happened in the US, to what’s happening here. Even so, brace yourself, it’s gonna be a big’uns.

Interest Rates

First up, interest rates. The best I could find was their prime rate, which is as good as any, so we’ll use that. Also, just for reference purposes, I included the prime rate we Canucks have witnessed. We can that their interest rates have been lower than ours going right back to the late 70′s. But what we really want to focus on is the period from the mid 90′s through now, as it was in the mid 90′s that the Bank of Japan intentionally started to set their rate VERY low (in an effort to attract the carry trade).

Japan first dipped below the 3% mark in July of ’95, and after a couple years bouncing around the mark, they haven’t eclipsed it again since May of ’97. Over this period the Canadian prime rate have been averaging in the 5-6% range, while in Japan it’s been more like 2%… coincidently, a range that we now find ourselves currently.

We’re not really here to discuss what the future holds for interest rates (though it seems the current consensus is that they’ll eventually go up, but for now they will remain for at least another six months). The question we’re looking at is in the even these rates stay long term, will that alone support a real estate bubble? Beyond that, what kind of effects would it have on the greater economy?

In this regard, Japan is actually a great case study. You see, in the early 90′s Japan was right at the acme of their own massive asset bubble… of which real estate was right at the forefront.

Japan Housing Bubble

This is a look at the National Wooden House Market Value Index, quite a mouthful. It’s index point (=100) is 2000, which is actually the same as the Case-Shiller index in the U.S…. but in the case of Japan, by then their bubble was in their rear-view mirror. Regardless, we’ll get into all that business sometime next week, for today we’re focusing on Japan.

Here we can see a very distinct bubble pattern, particularly in their index of the six major cities (Tokyo, Yokohama, Nagoya, Kyoto, Osaka, and Kobe). They don’t break them down into individual cities, or at least I couldn’t find any data on individual cities, but I have a hunch that’s probably got more to do with my non-existent understanding of the Japanese language then anything.

At their peak in 1991, the national mark was 126.1, and major cities mark was 223.4. As of their most recent publishing in September the national index was 68.8, and 6-major-cities index stood at 79.3. Which would equal a national 45% decline from peak, and 65% for the major-cities.

This also goes to show that even with ultra-low interest rates, it’s done nothing to stop the decline… they may have slowed it, but that’s all. Prices are back to where they were in the early 80′s. Other then a little bounce in the major-cities recently, that has largely since dissipated, it’s been a very smooth trip down. So yeah, ouch, very ouch. But believe it or not, that’s a mere tickle compared to what happened in commercial real estate.

Japan Commercial Real Estate Bubble

Looks very similar, but note the scaling… this mofo topped out at almost 520 in the major centres! The national decline from peak is currently sitting at 74%, and the major cities at 85%. That’s approaching Tulip Mania types numbers.

Japan Inflation and Interest Rates

Now lets take a look at why high inflation and low interest rates are mutually exclusive. Other then just intuitively, as if inflation is high, generally everything is earning a high return and thus to attract money even low risk investments like bonds would need to offer higher returns, and as we all know, higher returns on bonds = higher interest rates. Conversely, if inflation is low, nothing is really offering a return, thus interest rates can be very low.

In the graph above we can see how inflation and interest rates have played out in Japan. Here we note that as interest rates plummeted, inflation flat-lined. ¥1,000 will pretty much buy you just as much today as it would in 1992.

Japan and Canada - Inflation

Now lets compare the Japanese situation to ours here in Canada, where inflation has been more typical. Here, to buy the same amount of stuff $1,000 would get you in 1992, would cost you roughly $1375 today. That’s basically how inflation works, over time the purchasing power of a dollar erodes , in the case presented by 38% over the last 17 years… whereas the Japanese experience has effectively been 0% inflation, purchasing power is exactly the same today was it was in ’92.

Japan and Canada - Incomes - Nominal

Therein lies the rub of a sustained period of low interest rates… there is no inflation, everything tends to stagnate. Including as we see in the above graph, incomes. Here we can see in nominal terms that Canadian incomes have steadily increased all along, whereas in Japan where they grew through the early 90′s, but since incomes have actually declined slightly since they changed monetary policy.

I’m typically a stickler for using medians rather than averages for items such as incomes, but I could only find averages for Japan. Thus, I figured I’d better use them for Canada just to be consistent. So, in case you were wondering, that’s why.

Japan and Canada - Incomes - Inflation Adjusted

Here is the same data, only adjusted for inflation. We note the Canadian incomes have been much more flat historically once inflation is considered. What’s more interesting is the Japanese numbers, who had a rise, plateau, and then slide.

From the 90′s on we’d expect to see that pattern as we know inflation has been effectively non-existent, and thus it should replicate the pattern from the nominal graph. That we expected, but what’s compelling is seeing the very noticeable gains in real incomes between 1970 and 1991. In 1970 the average family in Japan was making roughly ¥4.26M… by 1991 they were making over ¥6.86M.

It warrants repeating, these are in inflation adjusted dollars, not just nominal, that’s a 61% improvement in incomes over and above increases in the cost of living. That’s very significant, and with that kind of improved purchasing power you could see why there would be for the potential of a real estate bubble. Compare that to Canada, where we’re currently at our highest point in history, but even that is only up about 17% over the last 30 years.

Japan and Canada - Incomes - Inflation Adjusted

Did this graph just for kicks, it’s inflation adjusted earnings for both nations again, but this time converted into Canadian dollars (historical exchange rate). Shows the power of exchange rate fluctuations, as we know nominally in Japan incomes really haven’t changed significantly in the last 20 years.. but in Canadian dollars they’ve been up and down, anywhere from $54,000 to $97,000. Interesting? Perhaps. Useful? Not so much.

Japan - Various Indexes

And this mercifully brings us to our final graph for today (I told you it was going to be a big’uns, and just be thankful I condensed or eliminated a bunch more). This is various indexes available from the Japanese statistics bureau, except the income index, which I devised from the data we discussed earlier (all index points have been set to 2000 for comparative purposes).

The two that jump out first are obviously the residential real estate ones, the rest are much more gentle. The others are income, inflation and rental indexes. Income and inflation again we discussed earlier, so we’ll just take a sec and talk about the rental index (yellow line).

We can see it’s been very smooth over time, and has been virtually flat since ’97. As we know from experience here, rents are stickier then real estate prices, as such move much slower. It’s interesting that there really didn’t seem to be any short term surge at all when the bubble occurred, nor did it dip as prices declined. Seems rents just found a long term equilibrium and eventually settled into it. Even as inflation halted, rents continued to rise through much of the 90′s, then finally levelled off. Even since then as real estate prices have continued to slide, rental prices have remained stagnant.

Anyway, I just wanted to include that graph to display the interplay of all the factors and give you an idea of the overall picture of what happened. I think I’ve covered all the bases I wanted to touch on today, so I’ll try to wrap this up. What we should take away from this is that when the fundamentals get way out of whack, there is no easy way out. Even manipulating interest rates long term in the wake of an asset bubble, has done nothing to keep asset prices from declining.

Japans spend and borrow response to the aftermath of their asset bubble has done nothing to prop up those assets, but has left the nation crippled with debt, and on the brink of economic collapse. Now in the wake of asset bubbles bursting world wide, much of the developed world is now copying the very policies that got the Japanese in trouble. One can only hope that they truly are only going to be temporary, because as we’ve seen, they’re not only ineffective, they’re destructive.

Pie Chart

So, another week goes by, another apparent bull market rally turns out to be little more then a trap… but at least the Eskimos won last night!

Anywho, so I guess the big news this week for Edmonton real estate was that the decline in the new housing price index… down 11.7% year-over-year as of June, biggest drop in the country.

This of course if more then the 4.2% down the resale market was down year-over-year as of June (using the SFH Median fwiw). So you may be wondering why it’s down so much more, but as we discussed a few months back, new home prices tend to lag the resale market.

That’s predictable just from the nature of the transactions, resales generally go down over the span of weeks from deal to closing (sometimes even mere days)… whereas new construction can have months between the deal being made and it actually closing. Often they are bought on spec and construction doesn’t start until there is a deal in principle. So most of those properties figuring in that 11.7% drop were actually negotiated back in the fall or winter (or even earlier).

So, long story slightly longer, while the June numbers for resales reflected a market surge, the June numbers for new homes reflect the major slump we were experiencing during the fall and winter.

As I don’t think we’ve discussed this measure before, here are the historical figures for the new housing price index.

New Housing Price Index

Here we see a pattern quite reminiscent of the resale market, but shifted about six months later. Beyond being down 11.7% year-over-year, we’re also down 16.7% from the peak… which is in the ballpark of what’s happened to the resale market.

So, in the coming months it will be interesting to see is the new construction market had a spring bounce of their own or not, unfortunately that won’t show up until November or December.

Though, as we’ve been seeing with the Teranet HPI figures for Calgary, the overall market numbers trending up are not necessarily a reflection of actual property values as these HPI’s more accurately measure… as while the market stats are increasing month-over-month, the HPI is actually still declining slightly… so property values are still actually dropping, but there has been a shift in what’s selling and thus the market stats increasing is actually rooted in more activity at higher price ranges.

New Housing Price Index

Since I had the numbers handy I figured I’d include this as well, it breaks the earlier graph into ‘house only’ and ‘land only’.

It’s interesting to see just how reactive the land prices have been, when before the boom they were actually lagging behind home vales in appreciation but then took off and ultimately ended up increasing far more then house values.

From January 2004 to their respective peaks, land values increased 139.5% and didn’t actually top out until last fall… house only values increased 81.4%, and topped out in the fall of 2007 on the other hand, a year earlier.

So, food for thought, something to send you off on your weekends with. Have a good one guys and gals, and if you’re looking for something to do, check out The Fringe!

April showers…

April is fast drawing to a close.

We probably won’t get the final numbers until Monday, but indications are that it was a fairly typical April. Prices look to be up a point or two over March, and sales figures are looking like they’ll be in the normal range for the month, 1750-1850… which would actually be an improvement over the winter which saw sales well below average, and welcome news for those trying to sell

For those of us looking for indicators of long-term trends though, we’re kind of stuck in a holding pattern. Observing it all, it seems somewhat counter intuitive since asking prices keep coming down, but the averages continue to hold. But perhaps that’s an indicator of what’s selling more than market direction. Or maybe it’s the incredibly low interest rates. Who knows, maybe we really have hit bottom… nah.

If this year is anything like last year, it won’t be until the second-half of the year that we’ll find out whether prices will sink or swim… until then we’re stuck waxing philosophic, arguing banalities and over-analyzing indicators.

Not that over-analyzing indicators cannot be fun… one of which is the Teranet/National Bank House Price Index. We looked at this a bit back in January, so it’s a good time for an update.

HPI

The overall trend looks to be down, particularly in the uber-bubbly Calgary and Vancouver markets. Everyone is down month-over-month. Montreal and Ottawa are up year-over-year, but as can be noted, they didn’t appear to really have ‘bubbles’… not anything like the western markets anyway.

It’s still striking how similar our graphs look compared to what happened in the United State (graph prepared back in January).

US/Canada

Had actually written another entry for today, but came across this article from Macleans, and decided to do a write up on it instead.

I highly recommend everyone take the time to read it in full, as it is a very interesting piece and gives some great insights on the inner workings of all these forecasts coming from the various real estate outlets.

It also discusses a few other subjects I’ve been noting here, including the National Bank / Teranet HPI and Case Shiller.

I guess what struck me is that this is the first real main stream article to really take the real estate industry to task for their so called “forecasts” and statistics, and in many cases just flat out calls them out.

It is really quite damning that the leading economist that they spoke to would only give his honest assessment on the condition of anonymity.

“There’s clearly a lot of spin,” he says. Even the CMHC, which promotes home ownership and depends on home sales to sell mortgage insurance, has an interest in seeing the market prosper. “There is quite a lot of uncertainty regarding the market in general right now, and there are too few uninterested parties who are giving any sort of reasonable analysis on that outlook.”

It pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the integrity of these forecasts when the sales pitch takes priority over silly little things like accuracy. The ‘economists’ these outlets trot out are little more then paid mouthpieces, merely using their degrees in a thinly veiled attempt to lend credibility to bogus forecasts.

It’s basically shill or gtfo, and even if you shill there is no guarantee you don’t end up like David Lereah. Robert Shiller summed up their motivations nicely in this passage;

“The predictions from those guys are very biased,” he says. “They know that in a declining market, the volume of sales falls dramatically and real estate agents lose their jobs. So they don’t want to say anything that could be seen as contributing to a falling market. If their economist predicted a decline in the market—and then it happens—that’s deadly. The guy would have to watch out for his life.”

It’s scary that people are making decisions involving their long-term financial health when practically all the sources have a common vested interest… and for the most part these ‘forecasts’ and ‘industry experts’ go unquestioned by the media because they are dependent on the industry for their advertising dollars.

In any case, it’s nice to see these kind of stories are starting to get out there, and in the coming months I imagine we’ll be seeing many more as prices continue to decline. I recommend all of you take the time to read the entire thing, it’s really an excellent article.

Cartoon credit - The Edmonton Sun

Don’t really feel like running numbers today, and there were a lot of housing relevant stories coming out this week, so we’ll look at those.

  • Mike Fotiou wrote up an interesting piece on the CREA forecast for 2009, and their past fortunetelling exploits. Their predictions for Alberta are not going to make sellers any more hopeful… an 8.9% price decrease AND 19.1% fall in sales. And this is from the real estate pumpers. I don’t recall seeing any Edmonton specific predictions from the CREA yet, but I’d have to think it’d be right in line with their provincial guesstimates… or as Mike jokingly pointed out, in light of their rather rosy predictions for Calgary released last month, could be far worse… though I suspect there was little consideration for the numbers they pulled out of their ass last month, when they yanked them out this month.

  • Statscan released their latest New Housing Price Index for December, no surprise there, we’re down 8.2 points from last year. By far the biggest decline in the country, almost double the next closest (statistically and geographically), Calgary at 4.3. I should probably run their figures next time I do a piece on new construction, so stay tuned for that.

  • A couple interesting stories out of Calgary that also ring true for us up here. First, an article about the effect of falling resale values on mortgage default rates. More and more people are finding themselves upside down in negative equity, some are saying it’s the worst they’ve seen in 25, which not so coincidently is when the last big boom ended. Scary thing is we’re just getting our feet wet this time around, I have a feeling this is going to become a very big issue in the next couple years.

  • The other article was about the increasing number of vacant new condos hitting the market. With builders and speculators all heavily diving into these entry-level homes, when the market finally hit it’s critical mass, suddenly the bubble kind of burst on demand and we’re finding the cities significantly overbuilt… and still with plenty heading down the pipeline. This is of course leaving developers unable to find buyers, and speculators unable to unload or even rent out their properties.

  • Then we also have the news about unemployment drastically rising. While maybe not directly effecting housing, when people are unsure about their jobs, or losing them, they are not going to be buying houses. Which also kind of ties into the prior two articles mentioned, because with a significant number of developments still under construction but very few new starts to replace those jobs upon completion. That’s only going to swell the ranks of the unemployed, take more potential buyers out of the market, and increase mortgage defaults.

So, to make a long story short, there is a whole lot of downward pressure on prices at the moment.

Oh yeah, and happy Friday the 13th, you have just over 12 hours left to dump your significant other… or I suppose you could just get them something nice, it’s up to you.

I was thinking about doing a report on the new construction situation, but figured I might as well wait a week until the December numbers are reported. So instead I’ll just cover a few other items that are floating around.

- The Teranet-National Bank House Price Index which I looked at last week has updated their data with the November numbers. Here is a look at an updated chart.

Teranet-National Bank Home Price IndexThe drop seems to be becoming more apparent. Here is a quick look at how the cities measured up compared to a month earlier and a year earlier.

Calgary = -0.9% since Oct, -7.7% since Nov ’07
Halifax = +1.3% since Oct, +5.8% since Nov ’07
Montreal = -0.3% since Oct, +5.1% since Nov ’07
Ottawa = -1.3% since Oct, +4.2% since Nov ’07
Toronto = -1.6% since Oct, +0.7% since Nov ’07
Vancouver = -1.3% since Oct, +1.0% since Nov ’07
Composite = -1.1% since Oct, +0.6% since Nov ’07

- A couple weeks ago I did a post on foreclosures. Just as a quick update on that tally, there are now fifteen more homes listed as foreclosures, 39 houses and 25 condos for a grand total of 64.

Speaking of foreclosures, Mike Fotiou wrote has started to write a series of articles about the ins and outs of buying foreclosed properties. Definitely worth a read.

- And as I’m sure you’ve heard, the Federal budget was handed down yesterday, you can take a look at it for yourself via this link

Today we’re going to take another quick look at price indexes, this time comparing what happened in the U.S. with what’s happening in Canada. In an effort to compare apples to apples as best as possible, we’re going to use two indexes with fairly similar methodologies, Case-Shiller from the United States, and Teranet’s HPI here in the Great White North.

We took a look at the Canadian one Tuesday, and for the purposes of comparison with Case-Shiller, we’ll be using the Canadian data with a shifted index point so that both have the same scale. For those who haven’t seen the Case-Shiller index charted out, here’s a look at it.

Case-Shiller IndexYeah, that’s a whole mess of lines… so for those interested here is a labelled version with each cities respective peaks. Might clear some things up slightly, but yeah, that’s still a mess, but it’s bound to be when you’re charting out twenty cities and two composites. In any case, just sitting back and looking at the chart as a whole you can definitely see a general “bubble.”

Now for the sake of simplicity, I’m just going to take four of those cities, one for the top, one from the bottom and a couple from the middle… and chart them against the HPI’s for Vancouver, Calgary, and Toronto, whom seem to be the most talked about real estate markets in the country at the moment.

Canada vs United StatesAs you probably deduced, that U.S. markets have the dashed lines, and the Canadian markets are solid lines. Before you conclude our markets maybe were not as “bubbly” as those in the U.S., just bear in mind only L.A. and Miami were at that upper peak… and that the Canadian index doesn’t include our “bubbliest” major centre right here in Edmonton. So if I just go ahead and add Edmonton’s average price index to the chart we see this…

Throw Edmonton into the mixKeeping in mind the prior entries observation that the HPI was usually slightly lower then the average price index, but generally were pretty close… one can reasonable conclude that Edmonton quite likely would have an HPI of pretty damn close to that of Miami, if not even surpassing it. Unfortunately I don’t have data for Saskatoon, as I believe theirs would have blown past even that of Edmonton’s with their recent housing boom.

In any case, it’s not too much of a stretch to reason that the bubble experienced here was just as substantial as that in the United States… we just seemed to have the boom start about 18 months later… and not surprising, the downturn start about 18 months later. For a better look at this we can shift the Canadian data back.

Time shifted bubblesWhen you look at it this way, these Canadian markets fit right in. Obviously we see a bit more seasonality, particularly in Calgary as the lines aren’t nearly as smooth as those of the American centres. I think that can be mostly explained by that house shopping in Miami and Phoenix in Winter versus the rest of the year probably isn’t all that different an experience, Calgary on the other hand, it’s a whole new, and cold, world.

Judging from the plunges in Miami and Phoenix have taken, it stands to reason that Calgary and Vancouver (and other markets that had big run ups, like Edmonton, Saskatoon and Regina) could very well have very similar busts ahead of them in the next couple years.

Toronto on the other hand didn’t have as pronounced a “bubble”… but as you can see with Detroit’s situation, that is no guarantee prices there won’t plunge. Prices in Detroit are now well below what they were even in 2000, and that’s ignoring inflation. But then again Toronto could weather it better and only experience a moderate drop, ala Chicago, whom they’ve been tracking pretty close through this point.

So for those who still think “we’re different” here in Canada, or Alberta, looking at that graph I don’t know what to tell ya. Taking into account that it didn’t hit us until 18 months later, everything seems to be right on schedule. The boom lasted about the same amount time and was of the same magnitude, the cool down lasted about the same amount of time and was of the same magnitude… so considering we’re joined at the hip with the U.S, Occums Razor seems to imply that the big drop is on the horizon.